In which I am a prude
Aug. 10th, 2008 01:31 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
polerinSo, this is a fairly long conversation in irc, in which I get called a bullshit feminist, and fairly ammusing, a prude. How I am a prude is beyond me, as I am one of the raunchiest people I know. (not THE raunchiest.. that goes to a local drag queen)
I think my stance is fairly clear, but I'd be interested in other people's comments or arguments (for or against me).
11:15 < CellPhoneGuy> omfg
11:15 < CellPhoneGuy> i'm so pissed
11:16 < CellPhoneGuy> turns out this chick i wanna bang was at the bar last night all drunk and easy and my buddy called my cell phone instead of my home phone
11:16 < CellPhoneGuy> and my cell doesn't pick up here
11:17 <@eclexia> dood.
11:17 <@eclexia> you're a living cell phone commercial
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> fuck man, i know
11:18 <@eclexia> also
11:18 <@eclexia> taking advantage of a drunk woman != that awesome.
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> i wouldn't be taking advantage of her, she wants me anyway
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> im just not sure she knows that
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> she thinks i'm 'not her type' but she has shown interest in the past
11:19 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: Personally, my cell forwards to my house on no answer
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: how do you set that up?
11:19 <@SecondPerson> So it's always "safe" to call my cell
11:19 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: there's an option on my cell itself
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> hmm
11:19 * CellPhoneGuy looks
11:19 <@SecondPerson> though I had to call cust svc to get them to lengthen the time it rings my cell
11:20 <@JimShoe> i forward my cell to my work number when i'm at work, its easy to do
11:20 <@SecondPerson> The default wasn't long enough for me to pull out the phone, check the callerid, decide if I want to answer, and then answer
11:21 < CellPhoneGuy> i dont think my phone can do it
11:21 <@SecondPerson> Call your provider and ask them to set it up
11:21 <@SecondPerson> or ask at the next meeting. Someone should be able to figure it out
11:21 <@SecondPerson> Or check the phone manual
11:22 <@SecondPerson> It's a fairly standard option; I'd be surprised if your phone didn't have it
11:22 < CellPhoneGuy> i hope to actually make it to the next meeting
11:22 < CellPhoneGuy> well, this was a cheap phone i got when i got my plan
11:22 <@SecondPerson> Ah. I have a Sidekick3
11:23 < CellPhoneGuy> this is just a run of the mill LG $79 phone
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> well, i think it retails for $150 or something but it was half off with the plan i got
11:24 <@eclexia> "She wants me, she just doesn't know that. So t aking advantage of her while drunk is ok"
11:24 <@eclexia> :P
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: no, she's just never seen me outside of school where i maintained a fairly serious attitude
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> she hasn't seen me in my party state
11:24 <@eclexia> heh
11:25 <@eclexia> hate to tell you, "party state" doesn't neccisarily bring good images to my mind
11:25 <@eclexia> lol
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> hah
11:25 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if she can't say "No" when she's drunk, she shouldn't be getting drunk
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> but she has shown interest in me before, i'd actually like to persue a relationship with her... maybe
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> depends on just how slutty she is
11:27 < ThirdPerson> Uh.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> There's something to be said about putting yourself into a situation and getting drunk to the point where you can't say no.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> There are plenty of precautions you can take.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> Either not drinking, not drinking too much, having a friend around to watch you, etc.
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> i'm not sure how i feel about someone watching
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> i might get stage fright
11:28 < ThirdPerson> No wait, I mean keeping an eye on you.
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> oh
11:28 < ThirdPerson> Let's say I'm in a new environment and not used to drinking.
11:28 < ThirdPerson> So I have a friend around for support.
11:28 < ThirdPerson> That's all.
11:29 < ThirdPerson> I mean honestly. Some chick goes to a bar to get hammered, does, then wonders why she gets hit on, and turns into a victim?
11:29 < ThirdPerson> I have no sympathy for that bullshit.
11:29 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: oh come on, that's so much bullshit
11:29 <@eclexia> "Oh she was so drunk she couldn't say no, it MUST be her fault."
11:29 < ThirdPerson> How about this. I'm a straight guy, I go to a gay bar and get hammered.
11:29 < ThirdPerson> And I complain when gay guys start making moves.
11:29 < CellPhoneGuy> no, actually, i'll have to agree with SecondPerson here, people have to take responsibility for their own actions and stop using shit as a crutch
11:30 <@eclexia> perhaps she just wants to go to a bar and get drunk and have a good time
11:30 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: no, it's not. The word is no. It's very easy to say. If you can't say it, your problem.
11:30 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: I want a million dollars and a french whore, but that's not gonna happen.
11:30 < CellPhoneGuy> ThirdPerson: why complain? thats a great way to get free drinks
11:30 < ThirdPerson> CellPhoneGuy: it's a great way to take advantage of people.
11:30 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: so You literally trying to prey on a drunk girl is the drunk girls fault for getting drunk
11:30 <@eclexia> AWESOME
11:30 < CellPhoneGuy> you just gotta make it clear that you're not gay, they still buy you drinks
11:31 <@eclexia> It's ok, she must have wanted to fuck me, because she was drinking
11:31 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: she put herself in the situation.
11:31 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: i'm not trying to fuck her because she's drunk, i'm just trying to get some hangout time with her
11:31 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: Now if it's a roofie, that's a different matter. That's being incapacitated in a way that you didn't choose.
11:31 < CellPhoneGuy> jesus christ, you guys are too sensitive
11:31 < ThirdPerson> Oh yeah.
11:31 <@eclexia> no
11:31 <@eclexia> this is not about being sensitive
11:31 < ThirdPerson> If you slip her a roofie, or anything like that, that's totally different.
11:31 <@eclexia> fuck, if you've been around me, I've been hammered
11:32 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: it's not about sensitivity, it's about common sense and how to handle situations.
11:32 <@eclexia> But I only do it with lissa around, because I'm not stupid
11:32 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: when you're hammered, you can still say no. I've heard you say it.
11:32 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: that's because I don't like getting blitzed
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> i've heard HER say "hey, when i'm drinkin and I get horny, I'm usually down for anything"
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> that came from HER mouth
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> speaking directly to ME with no one else around
11:32 < ThirdPerson> CellPhoneGuy: that's an invitation.
11:33 < CellPhoneGuy> I KNOW
11:33 <@SecondPerson> Peppermint schnapps and pizza. "Would you like some help?" "No."
11:33 < ThirdPerson> You're not hearing oversensitivity. You're hearing bullshit feminism :)
11:33 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: I didn't black out, :)
11:33 <@eclexia> Ok lets look at it this way
11:33 <@eclexia> You get drunk
11:33 <@eclexia> and someone takes your wallet
11:33 <@eclexia> is that ok?
11:33 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: you are smart. Obviously. What we're talking about doesn't really apply to you, from what I've seen.
11:34 <@eclexia> it does though
11:34 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if someone asks for it, and I give it to them, it's my own damn fault.
11:34 <@eclexia> because I don't always have backup
11:34 <@eclexia> though I usually do
11:34 < CellPhoneGuy> its just really hard to find a place to hang out with her, she lives nearly an hour away and has a very active social life, so she rarely comes to my neck of the woods
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Are you really trying to compare personal property theft to complaining when you lead a guy on and he takes advantage of you?
11:34 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: "takes advantage of the situation"
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Bingo.
11:34 <@eclexia> So, it should be legal for people to cruise bars and take wallets from people who are too drunk to make sense of the situation?
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Girl puts herself in a situation to be taken advantage of.
11:34 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: you don't take advantage of a person, you take advantage of a situation
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Guy takes advantage.
11:34 <@eclexia> Mind you, just those that are too drunk to say no
11:35 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: good point.
11:35 <@eclexia> (which is obviously their fault)
11:35 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: seriously, uh... yes I am
11:35 < ThirdPerson> That's not a valid comparison.
11:35 <@eclexia> yes it is
11:35 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: point is, you're never really too drunk to say no (unless you're passed out, which is a different matter)
11:35 <@SecondPerson> Drinking doesn't eliminate speech
11:36 < CellPhoneGuy> the bottom line is, if i hung out with this chick and ended up screwing her while she was drunk and someone thought i was "taking advantage of her", i would have NO problem with the "eye for an eye" routine and having her take advantage of me at some point
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Ok, you want me to go down that route?
11:36 <@eclexia> no, but you're drunk enough to do soemthing you'd not normally do, and drunk people are far more easily convinced of things
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Because according to your logic, female bodies have suddenly become personal property.
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Which includes something which can be bought and sold.
11:36 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: as are Male bodies
11:36 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: Ie, the property of their owner
11:36 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: you seriously don't want to go down that road
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Am I somehow failing to point out the absurdity of this notion?
11:36 <@eclexia> (themself)
11:36 < CellPhoneGuy> fuck man, i've been trying to sell my body for years
11:36 <@eclexia> lol
11:37 <@eclexia> the idea is that the body is involate and non-transferable property is not that new
11:37 <@SecondPerson> You can get into some seriously fucked up shit with that
11:37 <@eclexia> it's not a perfect analogy, but it's close
11:37 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: agreed.
11:37 < ThirdPerson> No, it's not.
11:37 < CellPhoneGuy> lets not bring the legalities of property ownership into this
11:37 < ThirdPerson> Here's a better analogy.
11:37 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: actually, you can sell your body even now (to medical science)
11:37 < ThirdPerson> I leave my kid at the store and someone kidnaps him.
11:38 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: you can
11:38 <@SecondPerson> i.e. they get your body after you die
11:38 < CellPhoneGuy> i don't want to have to calculate the equity of the matter which makes up my physical form
11:38 < ThirdPerson> As opposed to, I entrap someone into kidnapping my kid.
11:38 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: sounds kinky.
11:38 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: wow that's still the, She wore a short skirt, she obviously was asking for it
11:38 < ThirdPerson> Wait.
11:38 <@eclexia> no
11:38 < ThirdPerson> She was obviously asking for it?
11:38 <@eclexia> seriously
11:39 <@eclexia> that's like kissing cousins with the "she was asking for it." line
11:39 <@SecondPerson> Someone who did that once tried to buy his body back, sued, and was ruled against. They even won a countermotion, because he had gotten some dental work done without the permission of the medical university (altering the property they owned)
11:39 < CellPhoneGuy> some people just don't "get it" that some chicks go out wearing slutty clothes with the intent of finding some random dude to fuck
11:39 < ThirdPerson> Ok, let's look at this.
11:39 < ThirdPerson> I'm a girl.
11:39 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: I knew it!
11:39 < CellPhoneGuy> hah
11:39 < ThirdPerson> I have 5 outfits. Four of them are normal, one is kinky.
11:40 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: or sometimes, they just go out wanting to look hot
11:40 < ThirdPerson> So I choose to wear the kinky outfit?
11:40 <@eclexia> ok
11:40 <@eclexia> and?
11:40 < ThirdPerson> Why? Because I want to be respected for who I am and not get hit on?
11:40 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: regretted sex is not rape
11:40 < ThirdPerson> Or because I want to get laid?
11:40 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: that's exactly right
11:40 <@eclexia> I'm not saying it's rape
11:40 < ThirdPerson> I have four other outfits I can wear, none of which will bring the guys around.
11:40 <@eclexia> I'm saying it's immoral to prey on women who are drunk
11:40 <@eclexia> same for men
11:41 < ThirdPerson> But I choose the one I know will, and enter a situation where guys will hit on me.
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> lets not bring morals into this
11:41 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: you are really going down this road?
11:41 < ThirdPerson> Oh hell yes I fucking am.
11:41 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I've never slept with a guy because he was drunk (lord knows, I've tried)
11:41 <@eclexia> "She wore a kinky outfit, so she was asking to be fucked."
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> i mean, we ARE talking about going to a dive bar where people drink heavily with little consideration for morals
11:41 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: yep.
11:41 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: that wasn't aimed at you
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11:41 <@eclexia> lol
11:41 <@eclexia> sorry
11:41 <@SecondPerson> Their ability to say no was not diminished no matter how much alcohol was in them
11:41 < ThirdPerson> Do you think I'm naive enough to think my actions don't affect or suggest things to other people?
11:41 <@eclexia> I was stating the reverse case of the one I had posed
11:41 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: i'm not saying that
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: that's gotta do wonders for your self-esteem
11:42 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: So then, are you insinuiting the women are also so naive they don't understand this?
11:42 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: I'm saying that you're saying that what a women wears excuses someone taking advantage of her
11:42 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: what, trying to get laid?
11:42 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: If I really wanted to get laid, I could land a different guy every night for the next 2 years
11:42 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: I'm saying that if she puts herself into a situation knowing what might happen, I have no sympathy if someone takes advantage of her.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Unless, as SecondPerson, something like GHB is involved.
11:43 <@eclexia> I say that a woman should be able to go out and look good, without having to worry about some asshole thinking it meens that she's begging to be fucked.
11:43 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: it's not all that difficult. Men are sluts.
11:43 < CellPhoneGuy> ugh, ok, i wasn't being serious when i said that
11:43 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: so basicly "she was asking for it and deserved it"
11:43 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: that's a very me-centric view to take.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> How about this.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> What happens if I walk around naked?
11:43 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: and saying "Oooh she dressed up sexy, must meen I should fuck her" isn't?
11:43 < ThirdPerson> I go into a public area, wearing nothing.
11:43 < CellPhoneGuy> ThirdPerson: i claw my eyes out
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Will I get arrested?
11:43 <@eclexia> you'd get arrested for public indecency
11:43 <@eclexia> lool
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Why?
11:43 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: The issue is, finding a guy who I want to have sex with, in the way that I want to have sex
11:44 <@eclexia> because we are a puritanian society
11:44 < ThirdPerson> No.
11:44 < CellPhoneGuy> WHOA WHOA WHOA, lets not elaborate on the different ways men can have sex with one another
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Because other people see my actions and the situation I've entered, and it affects them directly.
11:44 < CellPhoneGuy> thats information i don't wanna think about in my slightly hungover state
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Whereas if I walk around wearing clothes, I am considered normal and not arrested.
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Now what if I go into a nudist colony? People won't care, and I don't get arrested.
11:45 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: so?
11:45 <@eclexia> it's not about the "affect"
11:45 <@eclexia> really
11:45 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: Nudists don't have as much sex as we'd like to believe
11:45 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: who said anything about sex?
11:45 <@eclexia> because you affect people if you go out in a bright orange jumpsuit too
11:45 <@eclexia> so whoopty doo
11:45 < ThirdPerson> I'm talking about how you act and dress within the context of a situation.
11:45 < ThirdPerson> Right.
11:46 < CellPhoneGuy> most of the nudists i've seen are NOT very attractive
11:46 < ThirdPerson> So you also affect people if you dress up like a slut and get really drunk.
11:46 < CellPhoneGuy> they're usually either old, fat, or both
11:46 <@eclexia> the difference is that you are trying to say that if a woman dresses in a revealing or enticing manner, that it's ok for a guy to take advantage of her
11:46 <@eclexia> because she was obviously asking for it
11:46 <@eclexia> which is complete bullshit, you know how many rape tries have the exact same thing
11:46 < ThirdPerson> Let's define "take advantage" here, because we may be talking about different things.
11:47 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if she is able to say no, and doesn't, then it's not okay to have sex?
11:47 < ThirdPerson> If she says no, or is given drugs, then absolutely that's unethical.
11:47 <@eclexia> because you are saying this "Women dress as they do only for my pleasure, and should take into account the affect they have on me, or I will be all over them"
11:47 * CellPhoneGuy regrets bringing this up
11:47 <@eclexia> no actually, we aren't talking about different things
11:47 <@eclexia> I'm not talking about forced rape
11:47 < ThirdPerson> No.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> I'm saying that how women dress affects me and how I see them.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Here's another example.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Let's say I dress up like a cop, complete with the badge.
11:48 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: have you considered that women may drink precisely because they like that it lowers their inhibitions?
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Will people think I'm a cop?
11:48 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: that's an extremly me-centric view of it
11:48 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: either that or they drink because.. uh.. they like go get drunk? :P
11:49 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: the difference is in assumption of a uniform
11:49 <@eclexia> are you saying there is a slut-uniform?
11:49 < CellPhoneGuy> women who dress sexy and complain when men find them sexy are bitches
11:49 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: i'm not saying you can't find them sexy
11:50 <@SecondPerson> Don't complain if you act like a slut, and then get treated like one.
11:50 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: i'm saying taking advantage of a woman because she is drunk and is wearing something attractive is wrong.
11:50 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: so what exactly is acting like a slut
11:50 <@eclexia> do I?
11:50 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: hardly
11:50 <@eclexia> why not?
11:50 <@eclexia> I'm all over people
11:50 <@eclexia> Hugging
11:50 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I'd go with 'prude'
11:50 <@eclexia> friendly
11:50 <@eclexia> lol
11:50 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: what if this drunk woman who is dressed sexily approaches YOU for sex?
11:51 <@eclexia> I'm a prude? Heh. nice.
11:51 <@SecondPerson> Friendly and slutty are two different things
11:51 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: beyond the fact that I'm married, no, I wouldn't
11:51 <@eclexia> I might get her number or talk with her more, that's for sure.
11:51 < ThirdPerson> Ok, this conversation is annoying and going nowhere.
11:51 < ThirdPerson> I think eclexia just wants attention :)
11:51 <@eclexia> damn
11:51 <@eclexia> you found me out
11:51 * eclexia takes her ball and goes home
11:52 <@SecondPerson> eclexia just needs to find the right man. ;-)
11:52 * eclexia headdesks
11:52 < ThirdPerson> A good American dicking?
11:52 * SecondPerson giggles
11:52 <@eclexia> oh gods.
11:52 <@eclexia> yes because everything revolves around dick :P
11:53 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I openly admit that.
11:53 < ThirdPerson> Of course.
11:53 <@SecondPerson> MmmmmMMMMMMMmmmmm, dick.
11:53 < ThirdPerson> L'ecock, c'est moi
11:53 <@eclexia> lol
11:53 <@eclexia> I'm leaving this with one last note..
11:54 <@eclexia> You wonder why this community doesn't have more women
11:54 <@SecondPerson> ware: the discussion is winding down to the absurd.
11:54 <@eclexia> I would like to recall a situation at pn10, where a croud of women were crouded around a lady yelling for her to take her shirt off
11:54 <@eclexia> while she was trying to tell them about something
11:54 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: because all the really good ones are already taken
11:54 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: it's difficult to not get absurd when every argument you make hits a brick wall.
11:55 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: no, taken, and being involved in a community are two different things
11:55 <@eclexia> there was a palpable feeling there, and it damn near made me shake away in fear
11:55 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: did you know I'm watching porn in another window?
11:55 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: I like porn
11:55 <@eclexia> I've nothing against porn
11:55 < ThirdPerson> It's a porno about a girl who goes to a bar and gets drunk.
11:56 < ThirdPerson> It's really fucking hot.
11:56 <@SecondPerson> Speaking of porn, I'd like an anti-porn feminist to explain to me exactly how gay porn degrades women.
11:56 <@eclexia> lol
11:56 <@eclexia> yeah i'm not a radfem
11:56 <@eclexia> don't take me that way
11:56 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: have you seen Bound?
11:56 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: nope
11:56 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: and I'm playing a video game that has to do with shooting people
11:57 < ThirdPerson> I've heard a lot of great things about it.
11:57 <@eclexia> so, sorry, the choices you make are your own
11:57 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: oh, I've jacked off to those too.
11:57 <@eclexia> not supprised
11:58 < ThirdPerson> But I'm a sick cock-driven maleslut who likes to take advantage of innocent drunk women wearing boobs.
11:58 * eclexia blinks
11:58 <@SecondPerson> You mean, they take them off at the end of the night?
11:58 <@eclexia> heh
11:58 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: been hanging out at drag bars lately?
11:58 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: I don't know, because it's unethical to take advantage of them.
11:59 <@eclexia> here's the takeaway. Sometimes women dress up sexy and go out for their own benifit
11:59 <@eclexia> they want to feel sexy, so they do.
12:00 <@eclexia> that does not meen that they want you, or any guy or girl to take them home
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12:00 < ThirdPerson> According to feminist logic, the only way to ethically have sex is with a petri dish.
12:00 <@eclexia> asking isn't bad, forcing is.... including forcing through talking a drunk person into sex
12:00 <@eclexia> no, but I do think that people should be sober to start a relationship
12:00 <@eclexia> :P
12:00 <@eclexia> and start having sex
12:01 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: what's wrong with drunken sex.
12:01 < ThirdPerson> I mean, you were conceived *somehow*, right?
12:01 <@eclexia> right. cept for the fact that my mom doesn't drink :P
12:01 < ThirdPerson> Here's a question.
12:01 <@eclexia> she may have been HIGH but that's another thing entirely
12:01 <@eclexia> lol
12:02 < ThirdPerson> If she says no to vaginal sex, is anal sex still permissible?
12:02 < ThirdPerson> That's like... I block port 80, but port 8080 is still open.
12:03 < ThirdPerson> (btw, if you want, I can show you some "port scanning" tricks:p)
12:04 < ThirdPerson> Did I just kill the channel again?
I think my stance is fairly clear, but I'd be interested in other people's comments or arguments (for or against me).
11:15 < CellPhoneGuy> omfg
11:15 < CellPhoneGuy> i'm so pissed
11:16 < CellPhoneGuy> turns out this chick i wanna bang was at the bar last night all drunk and easy and my buddy called my cell phone instead of my home phone
11:16 < CellPhoneGuy> and my cell doesn't pick up here
11:17 <@eclexia> dood.
11:17 <@eclexia> you're a living cell phone commercial
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> fuck man, i know
11:18 <@eclexia> also
11:18 <@eclexia> taking advantage of a drunk woman != that awesome.
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> i wouldn't be taking advantage of her, she wants me anyway
11:18 < CellPhoneGuy> im just not sure she knows that
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> she thinks i'm 'not her type' but she has shown interest in the past
11:19 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: Personally, my cell forwards to my house on no answer
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: how do you set that up?
11:19 <@SecondPerson> So it's always "safe" to call my cell
11:19 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: there's an option on my cell itself
11:19 < CellPhoneGuy> hmm
11:19 * CellPhoneGuy looks
11:19 <@SecondPerson> though I had to call cust svc to get them to lengthen the time it rings my cell
11:20 <@JimShoe> i forward my cell to my work number when i'm at work, its easy to do
11:20 <@SecondPerson> The default wasn't long enough for me to pull out the phone, check the callerid, decide if I want to answer, and then answer
11:21 < CellPhoneGuy> i dont think my phone can do it
11:21 <@SecondPerson> Call your provider and ask them to set it up
11:21 <@SecondPerson> or ask at the next meeting. Someone should be able to figure it out
11:21 <@SecondPerson> Or check the phone manual
11:22 <@SecondPerson> It's a fairly standard option; I'd be surprised if your phone didn't have it
11:22 < CellPhoneGuy> i hope to actually make it to the next meeting
11:22 < CellPhoneGuy> well, this was a cheap phone i got when i got my plan
11:22 <@SecondPerson> Ah. I have a Sidekick3
11:23 < CellPhoneGuy> this is just a run of the mill LG $79 phone
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> well, i think it retails for $150 or something but it was half off with the plan i got
11:24 <@eclexia> "She wants me, she just doesn't know that. So t aking advantage of her while drunk is ok"
11:24 <@eclexia> :P
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: no, she's just never seen me outside of school where i maintained a fairly serious attitude
11:24 < CellPhoneGuy> she hasn't seen me in my party state
11:24 <@eclexia> heh
11:25 <@eclexia> hate to tell you, "party state" doesn't neccisarily bring good images to my mind
11:25 <@eclexia> lol
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> hah
11:25 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if she can't say "No" when she's drunk, she shouldn't be getting drunk
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> but she has shown interest in me before, i'd actually like to persue a relationship with her... maybe
11:25 < CellPhoneGuy> depends on just how slutty she is
11:27 < ThirdPerson> Uh.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> There's something to be said about putting yourself into a situation and getting drunk to the point where you can't say no.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> There are plenty of precautions you can take.
11:27 < ThirdPerson> Either not drinking, not drinking too much, having a friend around to watch you, etc.
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> i'm not sure how i feel about someone watching
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> i might get stage fright
11:28 < ThirdPerson> No wait, I mean keeping an eye on you.
11:28 < CellPhoneGuy> oh
11:28 < ThirdPerson> Let's say I'm in a new environment and not used to drinking.
11:28 < ThirdPerson> So I have a friend around for support.
11:28 < ThirdPerson> That's all.
11:29 < ThirdPerson> I mean honestly. Some chick goes to a bar to get hammered, does, then wonders why she gets hit on, and turns into a victim?
11:29 < ThirdPerson> I have no sympathy for that bullshit.
11:29 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: oh come on, that's so much bullshit
11:29 <@eclexia> "Oh she was so drunk she couldn't say no, it MUST be her fault."
11:29 < ThirdPerson> How about this. I'm a straight guy, I go to a gay bar and get hammered.
11:29 < ThirdPerson> And I complain when gay guys start making moves.
11:29 < CellPhoneGuy> no, actually, i'll have to agree with SecondPerson here, people have to take responsibility for their own actions and stop using shit as a crutch
11:30 <@eclexia> perhaps she just wants to go to a bar and get drunk and have a good time
11:30 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: no, it's not. The word is no. It's very easy to say. If you can't say it, your problem.
11:30 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: I want a million dollars and a french whore, but that's not gonna happen.
11:30 < CellPhoneGuy> ThirdPerson: why complain? thats a great way to get free drinks
11:30 < ThirdPerson> CellPhoneGuy: it's a great way to take advantage of people.
11:30 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: so You literally trying to prey on a drunk girl is the drunk girls fault for getting drunk
11:30 <@eclexia> AWESOME
11:30 < CellPhoneGuy> you just gotta make it clear that you're not gay, they still buy you drinks
11:31 <@eclexia> It's ok, she must have wanted to fuck me, because she was drinking
11:31 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: she put herself in the situation.
11:31 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: i'm not trying to fuck her because she's drunk, i'm just trying to get some hangout time with her
11:31 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: Now if it's a roofie, that's a different matter. That's being incapacitated in a way that you didn't choose.
11:31 < CellPhoneGuy> jesus christ, you guys are too sensitive
11:31 < ThirdPerson> Oh yeah.
11:31 <@eclexia> no
11:31 <@eclexia> this is not about being sensitive
11:31 < ThirdPerson> If you slip her a roofie, or anything like that, that's totally different.
11:31 <@eclexia> fuck, if you've been around me, I've been hammered
11:32 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: it's not about sensitivity, it's about common sense and how to handle situations.
11:32 <@eclexia> But I only do it with lissa around, because I'm not stupid
11:32 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: when you're hammered, you can still say no. I've heard you say it.
11:32 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: that's because I don't like getting blitzed
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> i've heard HER say "hey, when i'm drinkin and I get horny, I'm usually down for anything"
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> that came from HER mouth
11:32 < CellPhoneGuy> speaking directly to ME with no one else around
11:32 < ThirdPerson> CellPhoneGuy: that's an invitation.
11:33 < CellPhoneGuy> I KNOW
11:33 <@SecondPerson> Peppermint schnapps and pizza. "Would you like some help?" "No."
11:33 < ThirdPerson> You're not hearing oversensitivity. You're hearing bullshit feminism :)
11:33 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: I didn't black out, :)
11:33 <@eclexia> Ok lets look at it this way
11:33 <@eclexia> You get drunk
11:33 <@eclexia> and someone takes your wallet
11:33 <@eclexia> is that ok?
11:33 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: you are smart. Obviously. What we're talking about doesn't really apply to you, from what I've seen.
11:34 <@eclexia> it does though
11:34 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if someone asks for it, and I give it to them, it's my own damn fault.
11:34 <@eclexia> because I don't always have backup
11:34 <@eclexia> though I usually do
11:34 < CellPhoneGuy> its just really hard to find a place to hang out with her, she lives nearly an hour away and has a very active social life, so she rarely comes to my neck of the woods
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Are you really trying to compare personal property theft to complaining when you lead a guy on and he takes advantage of you?
11:34 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: "takes advantage of the situation"
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Bingo.
11:34 <@eclexia> So, it should be legal for people to cruise bars and take wallets from people who are too drunk to make sense of the situation?
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Girl puts herself in a situation to be taken advantage of.
11:34 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: you don't take advantage of a person, you take advantage of a situation
11:34 < ThirdPerson> Guy takes advantage.
11:34 <@eclexia> Mind you, just those that are too drunk to say no
11:35 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: good point.
11:35 <@eclexia> (which is obviously their fault)
11:35 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: seriously, uh... yes I am
11:35 < ThirdPerson> That's not a valid comparison.
11:35 <@eclexia> yes it is
11:35 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: point is, you're never really too drunk to say no (unless you're passed out, which is a different matter)
11:35 <@SecondPerson> Drinking doesn't eliminate speech
11:36 < CellPhoneGuy> the bottom line is, if i hung out with this chick and ended up screwing her while she was drunk and someone thought i was "taking advantage of her", i would have NO problem with the "eye for an eye" routine and having her take advantage of me at some point
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Ok, you want me to go down that route?
11:36 <@eclexia> no, but you're drunk enough to do soemthing you'd not normally do, and drunk people are far more easily convinced of things
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Because according to your logic, female bodies have suddenly become personal property.
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Which includes something which can be bought and sold.
11:36 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: as are Male bodies
11:36 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: Ie, the property of their owner
11:36 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: you seriously don't want to go down that road
11:36 < ThirdPerson> Am I somehow failing to point out the absurdity of this notion?
11:36 <@eclexia> (themself)
11:36 < CellPhoneGuy> fuck man, i've been trying to sell my body for years
11:36 <@eclexia> lol
11:37 <@eclexia> the idea is that the body is involate and non-transferable property is not that new
11:37 <@SecondPerson> You can get into some seriously fucked up shit with that
11:37 <@eclexia> it's not a perfect analogy, but it's close
11:37 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: agreed.
11:37 < ThirdPerson> No, it's not.
11:37 < CellPhoneGuy> lets not bring the legalities of property ownership into this
11:37 < ThirdPerson> Here's a better analogy.
11:37 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: actually, you can sell your body even now (to medical science)
11:37 < ThirdPerson> I leave my kid at the store and someone kidnaps him.
11:38 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: you can
11:38 <@SecondPerson> i.e. they get your body after you die
11:38 < CellPhoneGuy> i don't want to have to calculate the equity of the matter which makes up my physical form
11:38 < ThirdPerson> As opposed to, I entrap someone into kidnapping my kid.
11:38 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: sounds kinky.
11:38 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: wow that's still the, She wore a short skirt, she obviously was asking for it
11:38 < ThirdPerson> Wait.
11:38 <@eclexia> no
11:38 < ThirdPerson> She was obviously asking for it?
11:38 <@eclexia> seriously
11:39 <@eclexia> that's like kissing cousins with the "she was asking for it." line
11:39 <@SecondPerson> Someone who did that once tried to buy his body back, sued, and was ruled against. They even won a countermotion, because he had gotten some dental work done without the permission of the medical university (altering the property they owned)
11:39 < CellPhoneGuy> some people just don't "get it" that some chicks go out wearing slutty clothes with the intent of finding some random dude to fuck
11:39 < ThirdPerson> Ok, let's look at this.
11:39 < ThirdPerson> I'm a girl.
11:39 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: I knew it!
11:39 < CellPhoneGuy> hah
11:39 < ThirdPerson> I have 5 outfits. Four of them are normal, one is kinky.
11:40 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: or sometimes, they just go out wanting to look hot
11:40 < ThirdPerson> So I choose to wear the kinky outfit?
11:40 <@eclexia> ok
11:40 <@eclexia> and?
11:40 < ThirdPerson> Why? Because I want to be respected for who I am and not get hit on?
11:40 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: regretted sex is not rape
11:40 < ThirdPerson> Or because I want to get laid?
11:40 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: that's exactly right
11:40 <@eclexia> I'm not saying it's rape
11:40 < ThirdPerson> I have four other outfits I can wear, none of which will bring the guys around.
11:40 <@eclexia> I'm saying it's immoral to prey on women who are drunk
11:40 <@eclexia> same for men
11:41 < ThirdPerson> But I choose the one I know will, and enter a situation where guys will hit on me.
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> lets not bring morals into this
11:41 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: you are really going down this road?
11:41 < ThirdPerson> Oh hell yes I fucking am.
11:41 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I've never slept with a guy because he was drunk (lord knows, I've tried)
11:41 <@eclexia> "She wore a kinky outfit, so she was asking to be fucked."
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> i mean, we ARE talking about going to a dive bar where people drink heavily with little consideration for morals
11:41 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: yep.
11:41 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: that wasn't aimed at you
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11:41 <@eclexia> lol
11:41 <@eclexia> sorry
11:41 <@SecondPerson> Their ability to say no was not diminished no matter how much alcohol was in them
11:41 < ThirdPerson> Do you think I'm naive enough to think my actions don't affect or suggest things to other people?
11:41 <@eclexia> I was stating the reverse case of the one I had posed
11:41 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: i'm not saying that
11:41 < CellPhoneGuy> SecondPerson: that's gotta do wonders for your self-esteem
11:42 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: So then, are you insinuiting the women are also so naive they don't understand this?
11:42 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: I'm saying that you're saying that what a women wears excuses someone taking advantage of her
11:42 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: what, trying to get laid?
11:42 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: If I really wanted to get laid, I could land a different guy every night for the next 2 years
11:42 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: I'm saying that if she puts herself into a situation knowing what might happen, I have no sympathy if someone takes advantage of her.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Unless, as SecondPerson, something like GHB is involved.
11:43 <@eclexia> I say that a woman should be able to go out and look good, without having to worry about some asshole thinking it meens that she's begging to be fucked.
11:43 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: it's not all that difficult. Men are sluts.
11:43 < CellPhoneGuy> ugh, ok, i wasn't being serious when i said that
11:43 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: so basicly "she was asking for it and deserved it"
11:43 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: that's a very me-centric view to take.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> How about this.
11:43 < ThirdPerson> What happens if I walk around naked?
11:43 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: and saying "Oooh she dressed up sexy, must meen I should fuck her" isn't?
11:43 < ThirdPerson> I go into a public area, wearing nothing.
11:43 < CellPhoneGuy> ThirdPerson: i claw my eyes out
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Will I get arrested?
11:43 <@eclexia> you'd get arrested for public indecency
11:43 <@eclexia> lool
11:43 < ThirdPerson> Why?
11:43 <@SecondPerson> CellPhoneGuy: The issue is, finding a guy who I want to have sex with, in the way that I want to have sex
11:44 <@eclexia> because we are a puritanian society
11:44 < ThirdPerson> No.
11:44 < CellPhoneGuy> WHOA WHOA WHOA, lets not elaborate on the different ways men can have sex with one another
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Because other people see my actions and the situation I've entered, and it affects them directly.
11:44 < CellPhoneGuy> thats information i don't wanna think about in my slightly hungover state
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Whereas if I walk around wearing clothes, I am considered normal and not arrested.
11:44 < ThirdPerson> Now what if I go into a nudist colony? People won't care, and I don't get arrested.
11:45 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: so?
11:45 <@eclexia> it's not about the "affect"
11:45 <@eclexia> really
11:45 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: Nudists don't have as much sex as we'd like to believe
11:45 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: who said anything about sex?
11:45 <@eclexia> because you affect people if you go out in a bright orange jumpsuit too
11:45 <@eclexia> so whoopty doo
11:45 < ThirdPerson> I'm talking about how you act and dress within the context of a situation.
11:45 < ThirdPerson> Right.
11:46 < CellPhoneGuy> most of the nudists i've seen are NOT very attractive
11:46 < ThirdPerson> So you also affect people if you dress up like a slut and get really drunk.
11:46 < CellPhoneGuy> they're usually either old, fat, or both
11:46 <@eclexia> the difference is that you are trying to say that if a woman dresses in a revealing or enticing manner, that it's ok for a guy to take advantage of her
11:46 <@eclexia> because she was obviously asking for it
11:46 <@eclexia> which is complete bullshit, you know how many rape tries have the exact same thing
11:46 < ThirdPerson> Let's define "take advantage" here, because we may be talking about different things.
11:47 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: if she is able to say no, and doesn't, then it's not okay to have sex?
11:47 < ThirdPerson> If she says no, or is given drugs, then absolutely that's unethical.
11:47 <@eclexia> because you are saying this "Women dress as they do only for my pleasure, and should take into account the affect they have on me, or I will be all over them"
11:47 * CellPhoneGuy regrets bringing this up
11:47 <@eclexia> no actually, we aren't talking about different things
11:47 <@eclexia> I'm not talking about forced rape
11:47 < ThirdPerson> No.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> I'm saying that how women dress affects me and how I see them.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Here's another example.
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Let's say I dress up like a cop, complete with the badge.
11:48 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: have you considered that women may drink precisely because they like that it lowers their inhibitions?
11:48 < ThirdPerson> Will people think I'm a cop?
11:48 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: that's an extremly me-centric view of it
11:48 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: either that or they drink because.. uh.. they like go get drunk? :P
11:49 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: the difference is in assumption of a uniform
11:49 <@eclexia> are you saying there is a slut-uniform?
11:49 < CellPhoneGuy> women who dress sexy and complain when men find them sexy are bitches
11:49 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: i'm not saying you can't find them sexy
11:50 <@SecondPerson> Don't complain if you act like a slut, and then get treated like one.
11:50 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: i'm saying taking advantage of a woman because she is drunk and is wearing something attractive is wrong.
11:50 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: so what exactly is acting like a slut
11:50 <@eclexia> do I?
11:50 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: hardly
11:50 <@eclexia> why not?
11:50 <@eclexia> I'm all over people
11:50 <@eclexia> Hugging
11:50 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I'd go with 'prude'
11:50 <@eclexia> friendly
11:50 <@eclexia> lol
11:50 < CellPhoneGuy> eclexia: what if this drunk woman who is dressed sexily approaches YOU for sex?
11:51 <@eclexia> I'm a prude? Heh. nice.
11:51 <@SecondPerson> Friendly and slutty are two different things
11:51 <@eclexia> CellPhoneGuy: beyond the fact that I'm married, no, I wouldn't
11:51 <@eclexia> I might get her number or talk with her more, that's for sure.
11:51 < ThirdPerson> Ok, this conversation is annoying and going nowhere.
11:51 < ThirdPerson> I think eclexia just wants attention :)
11:51 <@eclexia> damn
11:51 <@eclexia> you found me out
11:51 * eclexia takes her ball and goes home
11:52 <@SecondPerson> eclexia just needs to find the right man. ;-)
11:52 * eclexia headdesks
11:52 < ThirdPerson> A good American dicking?
11:52 * SecondPerson giggles
11:52 <@eclexia> oh gods.
11:52 <@eclexia> yes because everything revolves around dick :P
11:53 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: I openly admit that.
11:53 < ThirdPerson> Of course.
11:53 <@SecondPerson> MmmmmMMMMMMMmmmmm, dick.
11:53 < ThirdPerson> L'ecock, c'est moi
11:53 <@eclexia> lol
11:53 <@eclexia> I'm leaving this with one last note..
11:54 <@eclexia> You wonder why this community doesn't have more women
11:54 <@SecondPerson> ware: the discussion is winding down to the absurd.
11:54 <@eclexia> I would like to recall a situation at pn10, where a croud of women were crouded around a lady yelling for her to take her shirt off
11:54 <@eclexia> while she was trying to tell them about something
11:54 <@SecondPerson> eclexia: because all the really good ones are already taken
11:54 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: it's difficult to not get absurd when every argument you make hits a brick wall.
11:55 <@eclexia> SecondPerson: no, taken, and being involved in a community are two different things
11:55 <@eclexia> there was a palpable feeling there, and it damn near made me shake away in fear
11:55 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: did you know I'm watching porn in another window?
11:55 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: I like porn
11:55 <@eclexia> I've nothing against porn
11:55 < ThirdPerson> It's a porno about a girl who goes to a bar and gets drunk.
11:56 < ThirdPerson> It's really fucking hot.
11:56 <@SecondPerson> Speaking of porn, I'd like an anti-porn feminist to explain to me exactly how gay porn degrades women.
11:56 <@eclexia> lol
11:56 <@eclexia> yeah i'm not a radfem
11:56 <@eclexia> don't take me that way
11:56 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: have you seen Bound?
11:56 <@SecondPerson> ThirdPerson: nope
11:56 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: and I'm playing a video game that has to do with shooting people
11:57 < ThirdPerson> I've heard a lot of great things about it.
11:57 <@eclexia> so, sorry, the choices you make are your own
11:57 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: oh, I've jacked off to those too.
11:57 <@eclexia> not supprised
11:58 < ThirdPerson> But I'm a sick cock-driven maleslut who likes to take advantage of innocent drunk women wearing boobs.
11:58 * eclexia blinks
11:58 <@SecondPerson> You mean, they take them off at the end of the night?
11:58 <@eclexia> heh
11:58 <@eclexia> ThirdPerson: been hanging out at drag bars lately?
11:58 < ThirdPerson> SecondPerson: I don't know, because it's unethical to take advantage of them.
11:59 <@eclexia> here's the takeaway. Sometimes women dress up sexy and go out for their own benifit
11:59 <@eclexia> they want to feel sexy, so they do.
12:00 <@eclexia> that does not meen that they want you, or any guy or girl to take them home
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12:00 < ThirdPerson> According to feminist logic, the only way to ethically have sex is with a petri dish.
12:00 <@eclexia> asking isn't bad, forcing is.... including forcing through talking a drunk person into sex
12:00 <@eclexia> no, but I do think that people should be sober to start a relationship
12:00 <@eclexia> :P
12:00 <@eclexia> and start having sex
12:01 < ThirdPerson> eclexia: what's wrong with drunken sex.
12:01 < ThirdPerson> I mean, you were conceived *somehow*, right?
12:01 <@eclexia> right. cept for the fact that my mom doesn't drink :P
12:01 < ThirdPerson> Here's a question.
12:01 <@eclexia> she may have been HIGH but that's another thing entirely
12:01 <@eclexia> lol
12:02 < ThirdPerson> If she says no to vaginal sex, is anal sex still permissible?
12:02 < ThirdPerson> That's like... I block port 80, but port 8080 is still open.
12:03 < ThirdPerson> (btw, if you want, I can show you some "port scanning" tricks:p)
12:04 < ThirdPerson> Did I just kill the channel again?
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Date: 2008-08-27 04:16 pm (UTC)A legal contract can be invalidated (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Contracts) because one of the signatories is intoxicated, and I would say that a woman's right to bodily integrity is just as important as any legal contract.
I don't even really have an issue with people meeting up at a bar while drunk and getting it on. I think it's a bad idea, but I've no right to tell people what to do with their life. This conversation was not regarding that however, it was regarding a situation where as person was expressing regret that he missed a chance to have a shot at someone who was "drunk and easy."