EPIC COMMENT OF DOOOOOM
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polerinSo apparently this comment is way way too big to get posted at the city's blog. I swear I didn't intend to get into this. Re-posting this here in case it doesn't make it through moderation at the source.
TheRand: Actually, my wife got a small business loan. We are currently in the process of shuttering the business unfortunately, but we are paying it back none the same. I'm not sure what your actual message is once you take out the racist tripe about "magic carpets" and the swipe at Jeremiah Wright. Try again, please.
MagMom: Close, but not really just that. I just got a glimmer of hope that he will take us a few steps closer to a world where everyone really does have a shot at a good life, and that I won't have to be worried about peoples reactions in foodlion or k-rogers if I give my wife a hug.
Michael: Sorry about how long it took to get back to you... ok here we go.. this might be long :)
I worked at a store for 6 months, and one of the other workers who had been there for 15+ years let me know in no uncertain terms that the owner wouldn't hire anyone who wasn't white, and how glad he was because he wouldn't work around anyone else. Shortly after I got in an after work argument with another employee who felt that black people were naturally more criminal and lazy, and that it was genetics. The next day I got fired. Racial discrimination exists in hiring, education, healthcare, and any number of other venues. The Republic of T has a good post up that covers it.
First of all, you can't be denied a job at the gold club for being Christian. That happens to be a protected class under Title VII which, "Title VII prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin." Now, if you felt it was your duty as a Christian to preach to the customers, they would be within their rights to fire you for it. You are allowed to bring your religon to work, but it cannot interfere with your ability to perform the duties involved in the job.
My being a lesbian has nothing to do with my ability to do any of the jobs I have ever held, nor would I apply to a church where I'm not wanted. I really have better things to do with my life then spend working for an organization who thinks I am going to hell for who I love. So why should I have to live every day in fear that a manager who doesn't like me for whatever reason could fire me for being gay and have no backlash? It's not like I'm handing out flyers to Pride, or doing anything more than at most wearing a neclace. I know any number of Christians who do far more than that, I've been asked repeatedly by coworkers to go to church with them, and had prayer sessions right next to me.
Of course they do. They just don't want to do it around gay people. It makes it really difficult for me to feel comfortable and safe in any work environment.
While you're right about families being absent having a signifigant detrimental effect on children's grades and overall learning, you are looking at why so many of the parents are not around. A fair bit of that ties in with the concept of a living wage. Our current State minimum wage is $5.15 an hour. At 40 hours a week that works out to $206 a week, $893 a month, or $10,712 a year. Considering that the average apartment in Nashville runs around $753 a month, that doesn't leave much. Even if you assume a much lower apartment, say $500, that only leavesabout $400 a month to live on. I don't have any kids, but existing longterm with that income level would be a challange. Even with two parents working, it would still be difficult. This is compounded by the fact that many minimum wage jobs aren't fulltime, so there is no health insurance, and people end up working two jobs to pick up the slack in income.
This results in kids staying home for long periods of time alone after school, with all the resultant problems and lack of parental involvement. Granted, this is only one reason, but it's a powerful one.
As to what Obama's plan? He's only been talking about it for 20 months or so. Here, let me link you :)
A private account. You mean, like in the stock market, which is in the toilet because of deregulation that started in the Clinton era and was only increased during the Bush years? Great. Awesome. Let me get right on that ;) I have no more trust that my Social Security check will be there for me when I retire than you do, and I am attempting to save and plan as if I won't get a penny.
You are right, and I never said that everyone should agree with me or work with Obama. Heck I don't agree with him on a great number of things. I am also a bit tired of Conservatives tell me what I believe... especially when it comes to what I think the role of government is. The past 8 years have seen a steady encroachment of the government into our daily lives, everything from warrentless wiretapping to states banning adoption by unmarried people in an attempt to keep gay people from adopting. So please, spare me the "liberals don't want freedom" routine... it's not true. We have differing ideas about the role of the government in our lives, and we could probably swap examples of it untill the cows figure out GPS.
Please don't take my tone to be harsh, I know I can come off that way at times, but it's really not how it is intended. It's a result of growing up as a very very very left leaning person in a fairly conservative state.
So, Yeah. Epic commentage.
TheRand: Actually, my wife got a small business loan. We are currently in the process of shuttering the business unfortunately, but we are paying it back none the same. I'm not sure what your actual message is once you take out the racist tripe about "magic carpets" and the swipe at Jeremiah Wright. Try again, please.
MagMom: Close, but not really just that. I just got a glimmer of hope that he will take us a few steps closer to a world where everyone really does have a shot at a good life, and that I won't have to be worried about peoples reactions in foodlion or k-rogers if I give my wife a hug.
Michael: Sorry about how long it took to get back to you... ok here we go.. this might be long :)
In regards to employers, racial discrimination is illegal as it should be. Do you know anyone who was denied a job due to being black? See, I’m almost 30 years old and I am not old enough to remember racial discrimination.
I worked at a store for 6 months, and one of the other workers who had been there for 15+ years let me know in no uncertain terms that the owner wouldn't hire anyone who wasn't white, and how glad he was because he wouldn't work around anyone else. Shortly after I got in an after work argument with another employee who felt that black people were naturally more criminal and lazy, and that it was genetics. The next day I got fired. Racial discrimination exists in hiring, education, healthcare, and any number of other venues. The Republic of T has a good post up that covers it.
In regards to an employer having the right to choose whether or not they hire a homosexual, yes, I support that employers freedom to choose who they hire. Just like the Gold Club should have the right not to hire me because I am a Christian and would talk with their patrons about how pornogrpahy does not fit with God’s will for their life. So my question is should the Gold Club be forced to hire me as a waiter if I am qualified?
First of all, you can't be denied a job at the gold club for being Christian. That happens to be a protected class under Title VII which, "Title VII prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin." Now, if you felt it was your duty as a Christian to preach to the customers, they would be within their rights to fire you for it. You are allowed to bring your religon to work, but it cannot interfere with your ability to perform the duties involved in the job.
My being a lesbian has nothing to do with my ability to do any of the jobs I have ever held, nor would I apply to a church where I'm not wanted. I really have better things to do with my life then spend working for an organization who thinks I am going to hell for who I love. So why should I have to live every day in fear that a manager who doesn't like me for whatever reason could fire me for being gay and have no backlash? It's not like I'm handing out flyers to Pride, or doing anything more than at most wearing a neclace. I know any number of Christians who do far more than that, I've been asked repeatedly by coworkers to go to church with them, and had prayer sessions right next to me.
You lay out quite a bit of blame on the employers of this country. I’m sure most people realize that 99% of business owners are not the demons you portry them as. They want to work hard and reap what they sow
Of course they do. They just don't want to do it around gay people. It makes it really difficult for me to feel comfortable and safe in any work environment.
In regards to our schools, it is not the schools failing, it is the family. I have three family members who are teachers, and they all tell me that the students who struggle the most are the ones who have parents who either aren’t around or don’t care. When their child gets an F, they blame my sister for being a bad teacher. It’s my sisters fault that the student didn’t do their homework last night. Unless this country re-emphasizes the family, public schools will continue to fail. How Does President Obama plan to address this?
While you're right about families being absent having a signifigant detrimental effect on children's grades and overall learning, you are looking at why so many of the parents are not around. A fair bit of that ties in with the concept of a living wage. Our current State minimum wage is $5.15 an hour. At 40 hours a week that works out to $206 a week, $893 a month, or $10,712 a year. Considering that the average apartment in Nashville runs around $753 a month, that doesn't leave much. Even if you assume a much lower apartment, say $500, that only leavesabout $400 a month to live on. I don't have any kids, but existing longterm with that income level would be a challange. Even with two parents working, it would still be difficult. This is compounded by the fact that many minimum wage jobs aren't fulltime, so there is no health insurance, and people end up working two jobs to pick up the slack in income.
This results in kids staying home for long periods of time alone after school, with all the resultant problems and lack of parental involvement. Granted, this is only one reason, but it's a powerful one.
As to what Obama's plan? He's only been talking about it for 20 months or so. Here, let me link you :)
The reason we don’t work together is because we have different views of the country. I believe America is great because we the people are free. You believe America would be great if government had more control over our lives. We both love America, but we have different dreams for America. I believe we had our greatest opportunity for more freedom when Bush was re-elected and wanted to setup a plan where the younger generation could invest some of our social security taxes in a private account. Unfortunately that failed and now I have to trust that the government is one day going to pay me the money they are holding for me.
A private account. You mean, like in the stock market, which is in the toilet because of deregulation that started in the Clinton era and was only increased during the Bush years? Great. Awesome. Let me get right on that ;) I have no more trust that my Social Security check will be there for me when I retire than you do, and I am attempting to save and plan as if I won't get a penny.
You are right, and I never said that everyone should agree with me or work with Obama. Heck I don't agree with him on a great number of things. I am also a bit tired of Conservatives tell me what I believe... especially when it comes to what I think the role of government is. The past 8 years have seen a steady encroachment of the government into our daily lives, everything from warrentless wiretapping to states banning adoption by unmarried people in an attempt to keep gay people from adopting. So please, spare me the "liberals don't want freedom" routine... it's not true. We have differing ideas about the role of the government in our lives, and we could probably swap examples of it untill the cows figure out GPS.
Please don't take my tone to be harsh, I know I can come off that way at times, but it's really not how it is intended. It's a result of growing up as a very very very left leaning person in a fairly conservative state.
So, Yeah. Epic commentage.
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